The City of Calgary has put a new interactive pathway map online. It's a welcome improvement over some previous efforts, in the sense that you can turn on and off layers in order to see whether your route is actually a "Bow River pathway", an "Elbow River pathway", a "Nose Creek pathway", or an "all regional pathways". Funny, though, my bike doesn't seem to care which is which. On the other hand, it could be handy to turn on the "pathway with snow-clearing" layer if you are contemplating winter riding.
Having said the above, the map is somewhat flawed, and seems to have been designed by City departments anxious to defend their turf. How else can you explain a purple off-street pathway line having a break in it every single block, which seems to indicate that you can't get from one side of a crossing street to the other. Does the Roads department object if the Parks department draws a line on a map that crosses one of their roads?
The City has omitted anything that doesn't have an official designation; never mind if cyclists are using it or not. At the same time, they've included pathway sections that no longer exist (apparently just to remind themselves they own the right of way). The Douglasglen/Quarry Park area is a case in point. The map shows a pathway on the west side of the Bow River even though the pathway there was swept away in a flood over two years ago: that's a cruel hoax to inflict on a new resident in the south who rides 1 km north of Diamond Cove only to discover that the map is a lie, and he has to turn around and flail around for another route. Meanwhile, on the east side of the Bow River, a perfectly good gravel and dirt trail is now the sole possible commuting route for residents of the deep south, yet it doesn't appear on the map because that trail doesn't meet City standards.
It's as though no one took the time to ask himself "how will a cyclist actually use this map to plan a route?". Rather than show you the best, most enjoyable, or shortest ways to commute around the city on a bike, the City shows you which City department owns which pieces of pavement. Helpful? Not. What cyclists need is a map that shows the best routes,not which City department is responsible for maintaining each piece of the routes.
Speaking of City departments, looks like they didn't invite Calgary Transit to the table. The (few) bus routes with bike racks are clearly part of the cycling infrastructure -- e.g. you can cross the city west to east with your bike on the front of the no. 1 bus -- yet it's not shown on the map. Neither are the LRT lines, though they're available 18 hours a day for most cyclists (and 24 hours a day if you have a folding bike that goes in a bag).
Other flaws of this map:
- There's no scale on the map
- You can't zoom in or zoom out: you have to use the overview image, or the detailed view
- You can't see all the street names (this goes hand in hand with the lack of zooming), so you can't actually tell which street the bike routes are on, or whether the bike route goes near your home
- It's missing virtually all of the bridges and overpasses owned or maintained by Calgary Transit, which actually are used by pedestrians and cyclists for their commutes, and not just by CT customers
- Many other pedestrian overpasses are also missing, e.g. the bridge over 16 Ave NE near 19 St NE
- Elbow R pathway colour (yellow) is hard to see in some areas
Quality control is poor on the map. There are many, many omissions, including some entire pathway sections. Fofllowing are just a few I found within a few minutes of searching. Can you add any others that affect your daily commute? And, what would you like to see on a city map aimed at cycle-commuters?
NE
- missing the short piece of pathway on Nose Creek between Memorial Drive Westbound and Eastbound lanes
- several hundred meters of the NE Regional Pathway along 25th Ave NE are missing, E of 19 St NE
- missing the north-east approach to the Deerfoot Trail ped overpass at 25 Ave NE
- missing several hundred meters of Nose Creek pathway north of 64 Ave NE
- missing pathway on E side of Centre St from the Bow River bridge up to 7th Ave (designated as bikepath)
- missing 100m of the regional pathway in Rundle
- missing the entire regional pathway running S from the 25 Ave Regional pathway in Vista Heights to the ped bridge across 16 Ave NE
- missing the ped bridge over 16 Ave NE between Vista Heights and Crossroads
- missing 1 km of the airport pathway S of the airport along Barlow Trail
- missing 500m north of pathway N of the airport up to Airport Trail
NW
- missing most of the pathway in Hidden Valley ravine
- missing 100m of on-street bike route in the Hamptons N of Country Hill Blvd
- missing the pathway from Country Hills Blvd into Royal Oaks
- missing nearly 1 km of pathway around the SE side of Tuscany
- missing 100m in Bowmont Park that joins the Bow R pathway to the ravine pathway that runs up into Silver Springs
- missing several hundred meters of pathway in Bowmont Park along N side of Bow River
- missing several 100m on each side of the S end of the ped bridge across the Bow River into Bowness
- missing the pathway across the S side of the Foothills Hospital from 29th St to 16 Ave
- Missing the pathway section from 16 Ave NW to the Children's Hospital
- missing the pathway between Uxbridge Road and Udell Road
- missing the Bow River pathway west of Crowchild, S side of river and N of RR tracks, to Lawrey Gardens
- missing 100m of N-side Bow R pathway near 19th St NW
- missing the sidewalk pathway on E side of 10th St NW (portion going up the hill from Riley Park to 13 Ave is designated as bikepath)
- missing pathway on W side of Centre St from base of Crescent Heights hill to the Bow R bridge
- missing sidewalk pathway on both sides of Centre St bridge
- missing the ped bridge over Crowchild at McMahon Stadium
SE
- missing a piece of the pathway along the irrigation canal where it crosses under Deerfoot Trail near 50th Ave SE.
- missing several hundred meters of pathway on E side of Bow R south of Sue Higgins bridge in Douglasdale
- shows a pathway on W side of Bow R north of Deerfoot Trail crossing at Douglasdale, where no pathway exists
- fails to show the gravel pathway / road on the E side of the Bow R north of Deerfoot Trail in Quarry Park
- missing several sections of pathway in Carburn Park
- missing several hundred meters of pathway in Lynnwood Ridge
SW
- missing sidewalk pathway E side of 5th St as it passes under the CPR tracks between 9 Ave and 10 Ave SW
- missing E-W pathway on Prince's Island that crosses the lagoon at the W end
- missing several hundred meters of Elbow R pathway near Stampede Grounds
- missing several hundred meters of pathway just south of Rockyview Hospital
- missing 1 km of pathway along 37 St ROW south of 98 Ave SW
- missing entire pathway on W end of Fish Creek park from Evergreen estates down to Elbow R and up the N side




What we should do...
Submitted by Kaldrin on
What we should do is make our own map and submit it to the city to use for their own reference. Any budding cartographers around?
Edit: The link appears to be broken...
Available
Submitted by j2fraser on
I was able to get to it at http://www.calgary.ca/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_0_766_234_0_43/h...
Otherwise, click "interactive map" at http://www.calgary.ca/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_0_766_234_0_43/h...
good idea
Submitted by kat on
I see an opportunity. Someone could publish a small booklet with maps, recommended commuting routes, recommended fun rides, and general tips on riding in Calgary and sell it in the same places where the city sells the print version of its map.
How about an actual cartographer?
Submitted by ncoffin on
No, I don't work for the city, but I do make maps for a living. It would be nice if they could incorporate actual GPS routes in there instead of just the "bike path" layer that apparently hasn't been updated or checked for accuracy. I agree it would be nice to have a commuter friendly layer or similar.
To be fair, there are lots of layers - it's nice to be able to see the different types of pathways separately and also it's pretty fast. The crosswalk locations are good too. I think what they really need is someone to go and take the map out for a ride - sounds like a pretty sweet job for a summer student, or anyone for that matter...
no.... But I can help on
Submitted by vince on
no.... But I can help on getting it accurate from a bike perspective and USER_FRIENDLY from a front end perspective.
You seem to have got the citys attention
Submitted by mercator on
Interesting, the link is not working now. Perhaps they are applying some edits to address your notes?
Once it is back up, I'll check it out. I have a small interest in maps;)
GREAT job!
Submitted by majchers on
Great post 'ride'! Well done. Yet one more example of a beaurocratic approach.
On the other hand one may say: better this than nothing.
Well, life is relative I guess...
That is kind of pitiful
Submitted by mercator on
Considering the budget the city has for gis and cartography, I would have thought they might be able to apply a little better technology than this. What I see is essentially a raster map with the ability to turn the various layers on and off. In fact, it looks very much like the standard paper map, which means that it will likely share any errors and omissions with the dead tree version.
I think it would be interesting to see if we could goad the city into providing an improved online bike route map. Some of the features that could be added might be:
- automatic route selection with preference for bike paths/bike lanes
- elevation profiles
- pathway status indicators, including snow clearing, gates, construction, closures
- geo-tagging, photo and comment uploads for registered users
They have all the technology and data to provide such a service, what would it take to get them to do it?
Nice Try
Submitted by vince on
I read the first couple of comments and thoughts ...... uuummm. Very very negative response. Because to actually get a bike track Map in some countries (let alone get a bike path !!!) is a thing of the way distant future. Ok that having been said ... I hack code for living ... but I like my bike and Calgary has some of the B.E.S.T. to offer. On "the site" The first thing I looked for was "CITY". Where the hell is it ? I live downtown. After test-driving the cursor and the map its obvious our first respondent is TOTALLY correct. The resolution .... is to die for !!!!! Didnt anyone look at google.earth before contracting this out ? This is amateur EGA ... I don't think the government here could possibly have paid for this (correct me if Im wrong ... could they )..... better approach ... give it to the guys/gals whom bike around town to work out - hours x rate actually = hapiness in that case. But if you bike .... the collation costs (peddle power)would more than discount getting some clarity / fine detail and professionalism in the final work of art (that we all could use).
Further comment
Submitted by vince on
It would also help if someone put on this "NEW map" the position of all the purple paint that highlight where the bad spots are on the tracks. How-za-bout this club design a useful map that can be used .... and then feed it back into the system ? I'm up to it.
Sorry, negative is what I do
Submitted by mercator on
Hey Vince, I appreciate your comment. You are correct of course, at least the city is trying. Since I make maps for a living, my first instinct is to be critical. That is not a bad thing, however, since it is basically impossible to create a perfect map so specific criticisms can be used to improve the product.
good suggestions
Submitted by ride on
I like the suggestion about elevation profiles - people that drive don't appreciate how important slight elevation changes are to a cyclist. Seeing pathway status updated in real time would be very useful as well.
Route-finding was the main objective of the predecessor site to this one, calgarybikeroots.org, which is still available but not being updated (new routes get posted in our forums now). At the time that the previous site was developed, Google Maps was not available. Clearly that technology would be used if the site were re-developed.
I wonder whether the City is actually capable of producing the kind of map that cyclists need. They probably can't or won't show some routes because they cut across some privately-owned industrial land or a parking lot, or make use of a hole in one of those neighbourhood perimeter fences that imprison the residents, and yet often these unofficial routes are the most efficient lines.
Better commuting routes, and better information about those routes, is one of the key objectives of BikeCalgary, and will be pursued after the fall AGM.
City charges for map data
Submitted by tman on
Last year I was frustrated with the PDF map that the city has on its website for pathways as well as the transit map. I contacted them to find out if they had any plans to provide a google map with updated information on it and they said they had no plans. To do this yourself you can license the data (which updates every night) for $1000 http://www.calgaryonlinestore.com/detail.asp?prod_id=75
btw
Submitted by tman on
I would be interested in working on a collaborative mapping project, and I know a couple of other software engineers who are members of bikecalgary who would probably help too.
me too
Submitted by mikewarren on
I would be interested in any such project as well. I had also contacted the city about vector street data for something similar, but they said no way would they give it away even for non-profit use.
One option would be to improve the OpenStreetMap data for Calgary and use that. There's already quite a bit of data, but from some of my cursory explorations there are also a lot of mistakes and missing roads. They have open source routing code available, some of which is concentrating on bike/transit/walking instead of driving.
Cheers,
mike at mike dash warren dot com
Lots of volunteers
Submitted by mercator on
Hands up anybody in the mapping business?
Sounds like there is a bit of interest in doing a better job of this. My first thought was that we should convince the city to take up the task, after all they have the data and the staff to do it. As noted above, they don't give the data away for free either.
I suppose the alternative would be to take the task on as a group. Mike suggested openstreetmap as a good starting point and I think I agree. The basic road data is also available at geogratis.ca, however I don't know of any good alternative sources for the bike path network. I guess ride has gps'd a lot of it so maybe it is not such a big problem. It would also be possible to build something using the UMN mapserver technology. I have some experience with that.
Anybody interested in getting together over a beer to discuss this?
links
Submitted by mikewarren on
This is also cool, also open-source:
http://bycycle.org/regions/portlandor
I'm going to our local Linux
Submitted by graham on
I'm going to our local Linux Group this evening, and there's one of the members that's keen on Open Street Maps thing. He showed what he had already for his home location to a local town official and the guy almost hugged him he was so grateful! They have no budget for things like local infrastructure maps and the like, so a free, open source option was a godsend. He's been trying to get me interested, maybe this is a good excuse to buy a GPS?
Google Transit
Submitted by tman on
A lot of cities are moving towards google transit. At this time doesn't support routing by bike, but they recently added routing by walking, so biking should come soon. A friend had sent this link to the City and they said they would look into it.
http://www.google.com/transit
This should be up to the city to resolve...
Submitted by PedalFaster on
No pun intended.
I am sure that someone in the Parks or Transportation department thought this map was a fantastic improvement over what we had before but it boggles the mind why. It is has some great features but clearly is not complete or easily interactive. Considering the billions of dollars that have been put into auto infrastructure in Calgary in the last 5 years I would have hoped that someone could have said "Hey, lets pay for the rights to use Google Maps (or even Google Earth) and add our own layers to that!" I am sure working with this clumsy type of program was not easy for whoever made it either and they know how limited it is just as well as we do.
There have been some suggestions that this group should help the city out and make our own maps but I have to disagree, this should be up to the city to fix. We already pay people to do this stuff so lets pay them to do it right and show at the same time that there is a growing body of citizens who expect more than just a campy feel-good attitude towards cycling. We could all send in comments to City Hall on our own, or perhaps we could draft a short form letter and have everyone email it individually. Any suggestions? Someone please feel free to jump in here but I will try and come up with one too and post it soon. I really feel that working through the right channels within government sends a stronger and longer term message than taking action on your own and working outside the system. Changing the system has long term effects, working around it just creates a momentary respite from the problem.
PF69
While I do share the sentiment
Submitted by Kaldrin on
While I do share the sentiment to let the city fix their own mistakes, I wasn't really suggesting this for the city's benefit. I was suggesting it for the people who actually use the system. Governmental change has to occur on a much deeper level than just changing a map. The map is only a symptom of the bigger problem of the lack of concern for any system of infrastructure... for bicycling or cars or public transportation.
Doing the map now will save the people who want the information now the headache of waiting for the glacial pace of governmental change. In the meantime, yes, by all means send those emails, write letters or just tell people what's wrong.
Listo
Submitted by vince on
Has this been worked out yet ? Lot of good ideas ... time to put it down on RAM.
The City's Map
Submitted by Joe on
I used to work in the department which created the City's bike map. Needless to say it was one guy who took the updates from the City's mapping department and then made changes manually. That was about 4 years ago. It took him 5-8 months to do this and there wasn't anyone driving around checking the routes or anything. He basically made the changes he was given. Then a few years ago someone took the CAD drawings from the map department (I can't remember the exact department the drawings came from) and they ran them through a postscript program and it generated new maps for transit. I automatically generated a map updated with the latest data.
At the time I had co-workers who toured the City's GIS department and at that time they said it was amazing. Not being an engineer or CAD operator what they explained did sound amazing. They said that the City had every thing already in the computer. Due to the nature of the GIS system they could bring up the typography, the sewer system, the electrical system, the roads, etc. etc. This was electronically available to any City service who was qualified/allowed to use it. For instance EMS could turn on any layer of the system to see what route to take but also it would superimpose it over live realistic typography and if they needed to see the man holes and trees in the area it was a flick of a button. Now if they have all this data all they need to do is transfer that to a map. That being said sometimes it doesn't transfer well from electronic online to print. I, being a graphic designer, run into this. But the data is all in a system. Maybe someone has more experience with this than I do and knows how to work around different platforms and systems to overcome the technical issues. The main point is the city has the information already electronically entered into one of the most state of the art systems in North America. We shouldn't have to reinvent the wheel here. So they could put out a better map on paper and online if the right people were involved.
Bike routes map project
Submitted by ride on
There's obviously a lot of interest in better maps for cyclists in Calgary. To give you some idea of what's possible, just take a look at the wide range of cyclist-specific maps available in Portland, Oregon. Not only do they show the formal bike routes, they identify streets with higher traffic and lower traffic, and they also indicate sections where the routing is "difficult", i.e. uncomfortable for less-experience cyclists. Check this example for downtown Portland. Also note that the City of Portland produced these maps through its Office of Transportation.
Here in Calgary we're still a long way from that level of service. Our City mappers won't even connect the dots to join one sidewalk section to another! It's highly unlikely that they would dare do something like label a route as "difficult".
I think that a proper guide to the best routes around Calgary is a great project for BikeCalgary to take on. I believe that a non-governmental group like ours can do a good job of identifying and grading routes, and building a map (or maps) using readily available technology like Google Maps, gmap-pedometer.com, or other tools. We can even make maps available on-line as .pdf images. At some point, the City might agree to come on board and help fund printing of some of the maps, but let's not put the cart before the horse.
The BikeCalgary annual general meeting takes place on October 2nd. That would be a good time to kick off this project. If you're interested and available, drop a note to info 'at' bikecalgary.org with the subject-line "bike routes mapping project".
Thanks!
GPS route options
Submitted by wwotl on
My Garmin Nuvi 750 has various options for choosing a route, and one of those is "Pedestrian". I'm not sure where they source their data from, but it's obviously possible to calculate various options for traveling from "point a" to "point b", there just needs to be some logic behind the route picked based on the mode of transportation you pick.
Wouldn't it be great to be able to choose "Bike Commuter" mode as well?
Is there resolution yet on a Calgary Bike Route Map
Submitted by vince on
I like your comment "wwotl". As they say in Star-Trek "Make it happen" and the simpler the better. Yet to see if there are any conclusions on this whole discussion yet. I'm always open to help out on the grunt work.
Maybe I'm cynical
Submitted by jondub on
I wonder if the fact that the pathways are shown as not joining up was down to the Parks and Rec Dept only wanting people to use the pathways for accessing the parks, rather than riding through them on their commute.
I also notice that northbound Home Road is shown as a Bikeway with a wide curb lane, ignoring the fact that there are a significant number of 'curb extensions' along that stretch.