FEEDBACK TO CITY DUE JUNE 05
The 10 St NW Bike lanes (from 23 Ave NW to 5 Ave NW), installed last October, were designated as a pilot project and are subject to review; we have the opportunity to provide feedback on the lanes. As a starting point, we have put together an initial assesment below.
Do you use the 10 St lanes? Do you agree with the assesment below? Are there other good or bad aspects about the lanes? Have you had a good experience? A bad experience? Do you think the lanes should be permanent?
1. Area under review
10 St NW from 5 Ave NW north to 23 Ave NW. (We will have another post to provide feedback on the portion of the lanes from 23 Ave northward.)
2. Infrastructure
The road is two or three lanes with a speed limit of 50 kph and one school zone with a 30 kph limit (between 20 Ave NW and 23 Ave NW). There is a pedestrian crossing at 13 Ave NW serving SAIT. Calgary transit buses (routes 4, 5, and 404) use the route with several stops along the way. Routes 4 and 5 run very frequently (every 10-15 minutes). The 404 is a community shuttle with limited runs.
There are painted bike lanes on both sides of the road.
There is a bike box on 5 Ave NW at the junction with 10 St. The purpose of this box is to provide a safe way to turn left at 4 Ave NW to access 9A St NW.
There is an advance "bike signal" at the intersection with 16 Ave. This works in conjunction with the bus signal and allows cyclists and buses to proceed through the intersection ahead of motorists.
3. Importance/Connectivity
This route is of high importance for the bike network. It connects a large swath of NW neighbourhoods to the Bow River Pathway (BVP) system and the central business district. Since the lanes were put in there has been a steady increase in usage.
At the south end, the route connects to 9A ST NW and the overpass to get over Memorial Drive to the BVP with easy access to the LRT bridge and the Peace Bridge.
The route also connects to 5 Ave NW, which provides access to the Hillhurst neighbourhoods.
The Ward 7 neighbourhoods served by this bike lane have the city's highest bike mode share and the route has long been identified as a primary cycle route.
4. Safety Concerns
4.1. The intersection of 5 Ave and 10 ST
The bike box on 5 Ave NW is a great idea and would work well except that drivers routinely ignore the "No Right Turn on Red" restriction and routinely ignore the stop line. It is only a matter of time before there is an incident with a cyclist entering the bike box and a driver ignoring the bike box.
The "No Stopping" zone paint on 10 ST northbound, which was to provide cyclists with a safe way to make a left onto 4 Ave, has worn off and is now ignored by drivers. It was also fairly regularly ignored when the paint was there.
With the "No Right Turn on Red" and the change in light timing (10 St gets a longer green now than they used to) there is a pedestrian/motorist issue developing. Pedestrians are wating to cross 10 St and motorists are impatient, having had to wait, and frequently enter the crosswalk while it is still occupied. This occurs both with left and right turning motorists. An advance pedestrian signal may fix this.
When approaching the intersection, southbound cyclists share the right turn only lane with motorists. If the light is red, cyclists will wait for the green, and motorists may be waiting behind them to turn right. If possible, a safe place for cyclists to wait and motorists to turn could be created.
4.2. Entrance to SAIT
The intersection is restricted so there is no left turn either into or out of SAIT. This is routinely ignored.
The long deceleration lane and the merge lane are problematic. Drivers are merging into and out of the lanes, crossing the bike lane. Cyclists are travelling down the hill, going fast, and making it difficult for motorists to accurately judge speed. Painting the shared space blue would help to remind both cyclists and motorists that they are entering a possible conflict zone.
4.3. Intersection with 16 Ave NW
The northbound right turn lane encourages high speed turns and there is little regard for slow moving cyclists (it is still a hill there) which must cross the turn lane. A sign, "Yield to cyclists in bike lane" may help, or perhaps blue paint in areas where motorized traffic will be crossing the bike lanes.
When crossing 16 Ave NW northbound, the roadway jogs to the west, motorists tend to go straight, which puts one wheel into the bike lane when it resumes on the north. In summer this is not too bad, but in winter with snow and ice near the curb, there is not much room to maneuver.
4.4. Bus lanes
At the intersection with 16 Ave NW, cyclists use the bus lane as a bike box. Normally this works well, but some cyclists pass the stopped buses, on either the left or right side, neither of which is a safe practise. There are some times when the bus will wait at the stop; it is a timing point. This means that cyclists must pass and need to either "take the lane" to the left and then reenter the bike lane ahead of the bus, of pass unsafely. It may be difficult to tell is a bus is waiting, or just slow off the mark.
Buses have an "Advance Green" signal and an "Advance Green" bike signal has been added. The southbound lane allows cyclists to proceed, but quickly changes to a northbound left turn signal, possibly creating a conflict if a cyclist is slow to get through the intersection. Perhaps having a cyclist stop during the left turn part of the cycle would help.
4.5. From 16 Ave to 20 Ave
There are several alleyways just north of 16 Ave and motorists often try to turn left into them. Being so close to the intersection this causes lots of traffic snarls. Restricting left turns there may be a good idea.
4.6. Access/Exit to the South end of the Lanes
It may be unclear/difficult for a northbound cyclist to get into the lanes as the access via 4 Ave and the alley is not obvious or intuiitive.
5. Security Concerns
Snow and ice removal and gravel sweeping this past winter has been good. There are a couple of spots where the lane is a little narrower and the plow operator did not want to pile snow on the sidewalk, so the bike lane was half unusable.
Gravel tends to accumulate at the alley exits southbound between 16 Ave and 20 Ave.
There is no curb cut where the Sunnyside Pathway joins the route. So far, vehicles parking in the bike lanes have not been a problem. The few instances have been taxis and delivery trucks (UPS).
Many cyclists turn left from 5 Ave NW onto northbound 10 St. It would be great if something could be done to start the bike lane at the 5 Ave intersection.
6. Comments
Overall this is a good, useful piece of bike infrastucture. This is a route I would recomend to an "interested but concerned" transportation cyclist.




Nice summary. 4.4 and 4.6
Submitted by coldbike on
Nice summary. 4.4 and 4.6 are especially significant concerns of mine - especially as I use this route only occasionally (I live in the south).
4.6 is cut off?
Submitted by Richard Z on
4.6 is cut off?
10th at 4th
Submitted by mikewarren on
I would recommend that they should shorten the bike box to ONLY the inside lane, and allow motorists to turn right on red again. This will reduce frustration for motorists and teach cyclists how to wait at a red light while still allowing right-turning motorists to go by (I think they should do something simlar at 5th and 14th intersection, too). This doesn't detract from the intended use of the bike box, as cyclists using it as intended should be turning into the left-most lane anyway.
The bike lights at 16th need to be bike-activated as well. I notice they've installed a nice green-cyclist-light (instead of just the vertical white bar) now, but there still needs to be a bus transponder either northbound or southbound to activate the cyclist signal. Not a huge deal, but "nice to have".
I think it's worth noting the "original" plan for the lanes, which were to end at the top of the hill south of Confederation, take to the sidewalk at the bus stop and take two more sidewalk-bike-lanes to 21st (you can go and see this right now if you like). Horrible, and very worth it for everyone to see where we'd be without the bike lanes.
p.s. good summary. I will also add that I now no longer avoid 10th street when riding with my Chariot and kid(s) whereas previously I would usually take a queiter route, especially northbound.
Overall excellent experience
Submitted by ryker on
- It would be nice to convert a couple yards of the King George school field (10th St and 20-23 Ave NW) to a parking/loading zone for school busses which totally occupy the northbound bike lane twice a day.
- For a while the motorist lane right-of-way was confusing for vehicles progressing north on 10th St through 16th Ave. Recently signs have been installed indicating that the right lane merges into the left, which takes the confusion out of it. The lanes could still be painted better to make this more explicit.
Overall experience with the 10th St infrastructure is very positive. We live in the 600 block of 21st Ave NW and routinely take a longer path downtown in order to use the bike lanes on 10th, particularly in the winter and particularly in the northbound direction.
Those school buses can be a
Submitted by amf673 on
Those school buses can be a big pain if you are riding there during pickup/dropoff. Thankfully they are only there for a little while.
The zone between 16 Ave and 23 Ave seems to be the only place where traffic has slowed down, relative to the way it was before the bike lanes. This is due in part to the merge (it is much better than it was at first!), I think. Traffic there, though heavy during the evening rush, is still moving along nicely and more drivers are staying < 30 in the school zone.
Excellent summary
Submitted by barbecuy on
4.1 is a very imoortant point to cover if City is planning to keep the bike lanes in 10 t. st. NW. I use that intersection everyday and there is always a conflict between pedestrians, cyclists and drivers. They fight each other to cross 10 St. befire the light changes' sidewalks are not wide enough to handle pedestrians,specially the corner beside the gas station, ifsomebody shows up with a stroller there somebody has to go off to the road, that many pedestrians plus cyclists plus drivers trying to turn right is very difficult.
This was raised in the
Submitted by amf673 on
This was raised in the comments section of one of the on-line (Herald or Sun) stories about the new bike coordinator. Someone who identified himself as a local resident raised those concerns, and they are well founded. I hope something can be worked out to make it safe for everyone.
Great Assessment
Submitted by snowandscience on
Hi Al,
Thanks for putting this together. I ride this route semi-regularly (once a week) and agree with what you've posted 100%. However, I'm unsure what you mean by: "Perhaps having a cyclist stop during the left turn part of the cycle would help." I've also noticed some cyclists riding downhill in the uphill lane, and vice-versa - maybe some education is needed on our part? There's also a section missing in 4.6. Re: challenge with cars and bikes sharing the right turn lane, I've seen similar right-turn lane infrastructure in Hamilton. Street View Main St. W and Whitney Avenue (http://m.google.ca/u/m/wcSzll) and see how Main St. W. approaches Whitney from the south. The bike lane splits the right turn lane and through traffic lane while continuing down the hill. The rest of the descriptions are awesome, you probably know this spot better than anyone in the city.
Cheers,
Ben
Regarding the cyclist advance
Submitted by amf673 on
Regarding the cyclist advance signal at 16 Ave. Currently the signal only fires when the bus advance signal fires, as was raised above, it would be nice if it was cyclist activated instead of only bus activated! What happens now is:
There is no cyclist red but one may be useful during 3. as cyclist may be heading through, which could be dangerous.
Cyclist education does need to be part of this! I have seen 'salmon' in the lanes and cyclists using the downhill sidewalk and doing some odd manuevers around the 5 Ave intersection. But I think that will the lanes there are fewer cyclists riding downhill on the east side sidewalk -- which was a dangerous practise.
"Stop LIGHT"
Submitted by snowandscience on
That makes way more sense... couldn't figure out what you meant at all in the original, but now it's all clear. Thanks Al.
10th St bike lane and bike box
Submitted by XC-Mike on
Finally got the hang of the bike box. Motorists still are baffled by it, even after almost 7 months. Maybe a photoradar / red light camera and more ticket enforcment might speed up driver buy-in.
I gnerally access 10 St from 5 Ave, and flind the flow across 10th St to the bike path is now greatly improved.
10th Street bike lanes
Submitted by pedalprincess on
I have used the bike lanes whenever I need to ride up in that area and I think they are great. It is less stressful than having to negotiate with walkers on the uphill section. I have not had any negative encounters with motorists and, now that motorists are hopefully accustomed to these bike lanes it would be a shame to get rid of them.
Samefor me
Submitted by winterrider on
I only use these lanes when I have a dentist appointment, but I have found them to be a welcome improvemnet over the old situation.
Sure would like to something
Submitted by Tyrone on
Sure would like to something like that from the South end.. Someday.
general comment
Submitted by mikewarren on
I'd add to the top of the review that "annecdotally" at least (and we'd love data!) there are way more cyclists using this route. Any time near rush-hour that I use this, there are usually several cyclists waiting at 16th each way. I certainly notice an increase in bike traffic (I live nearby) although I can't quantify it.
I have certainly noticed the
Submitted by amf673 on
I have certainly noticed the same thing. In the past there were usually a few cyclists riding on the sidewalk/MUP on the east side but it was rare. In the winter that route was a pretty lonely place for a cyclist. Now there are cyclists all the time, both directions. Sometimes there are 4-6 waiting for lights at 16 Ave.
The city did do some counting on the route a while ago. Hopefully they will do some counts in peak season i.e. between now and July.
10th St Bike Lanes
Submitted by RyanC on
I'm a daily user of the bike lanes on 10th St for commuting and access to the Bow River pathway. The addition of the lanes have made my ride considerably easier and safer vs. taking up an entire lane southbound or riding the sidewalk northbound on 14th St NW (my old route).
My comments on Bike Calgary's feedback:
4.1 - I tried the bike box several times at first, but later found it awkward and inefficient. Cyclists that may be waiting for a green light to move to the bike box are blocking the right lane, preventing traffic from turning. Futhermore, I rarely see other cyclists using it, with most opting to merge with 10th St. southbound traffic and turning left on 4th Ave or 3rd Ave (my preferred choice due to the turning lane). I agree that the no right on red is regularly ignored, either due to ignorance, impatience or drivers not noticing the bike box/traffic sign. I feel the box could be eliminated. It's underutilized by cyclists, ignored by drivers (and cyclists who turn right on the red light), and holds back southbound traffic on 5th Ave.
4.2 - It's unclear in Bike Calgary's submission if this left turn is routinely ignored by drivers or cyclists. Clarification is required. I agree that the merge lanes southbound into SAIT may be problematic. This also occurs at the point where cyclist speed really picks up. I believe safety in this area is a shared responsibility - it's the job of driver to recognize there is a bike lane occupied by fast cyclists, as well as the job of the cyclist to ensure they are visible, cognizant of traffic that may be turning right into SAIT, and that their speed is predictable for drivers. A yield to cyclists on your right sign should be clearly visible here.
4.3 - Never had a concern or issue here. I'm not a winter cyclist, so I cannot comment on the second para.
4.4 - Have yet to experience this at this intersection. I didn't realize that the advance bus/bike green was followed by a northbound left-turn green. If that's the case, then I agree this is a significant safety issue. Perhaps if the light could be configured to give priority to northbound bus/bike traffic, then northbound and left-turn, then southbound bus/cyclists, then green all traffic.
The advance green is so short that I'm not bothered if it doesn't fire for cyclists. I love the bike/bus box here and enjoy those days when I'm lined up with several other cyclists waiting for the light and sweet downhill and racing past cars on 10th St. I would prefer to see cyclists respect traffic laws and not jump the light when it's still red in advance of the green.
4.5 - Never experienced this, but given the absence of turning lanes for back alleys, I think this would be an acceptable, though likely regularly ignored, solution.
4.6 - Would prefer to see the northbound bike lane extended to 3rd Ave if feasible.
Overall: Four out of five stars. Great piece of well used infrastructure that could benefit from a few tweaks and improvements and I hope it sticks around past the "pilot phase". The lane is ideally located to provide not only N-S access, but opens up E-W access through the Bow Pathway, 5th Ave, and Confederation Park. The lane allows safe commuting for North Hill communities, including Rosemont, Cambrian, Highwood and perhaps beyond; provides access to downtown and Kensington, recreational pathways, parks, and so on.
One final note: I'm also a pedestrian who regularly uses this sidewalk. I've noticed that there are still a few cyclists choose to continue riding on the sidewalk rather than in the lanes. I'd like to see these cyclists respect pedestrians and the city who installed this lovely piece of cycling infrastructure by choosing to ride in the bike lane.
Great comments!
Submitted by amf673 on
Great comments!
Regarding the Bike Box ... I too am of a mixed opinion. If I am looking to head left I usually just take the lane and go. If traffic is heavy I will use the box. There is a self-fulfillling prophecy phenomena with the bike box I think:
- drivers figure, no one here, I'll just ignore this stupid thing.
- cyclist always sees cars in the bike box, figures that it is not safe for me, finds another way.
And on and on. Kind of like the debacle on 10 Ave. Driver: "There aren't any cyclists, why cant I drive there?" Cyclist: "I am not going to use 10 Ave bike lane, it is always full of cars".
I try to think like a less confident cyclist. Or someone who had never been down that way before. What would they do? I dunno.
My experience at that corner is usually heading east on 5th and turning left onto 10 so I don't use the box per se. If I were willing to filter up I would have to kick a car out in order to occupy the box. I agree that some extra notification would help here. A sign or pavement markings.
For 4.2 it is drivers who turn left against the signage, both coming out of SAIT and going in. I can see why it is tempting, it is a long way around the block. Some extra notification would be great ... signs, blue paint etc.
I cringe whenever I see someone riding on the sidewalk, especially here as there is this great bike lane!
At first I liked the idea of
Submitted by bike2workman on
At first I liked the idea of a bike box and the fact that it emphasizes that cyclists have right to some space.
After using it for a while I don't find it to be very helpful. I travel east on 5 Ave in the morning, then right on 10 St and left onto 4 Ave. (I think this is a pretty common route for downtown commuters.) If cars are in front of me at a red light I don't bother filtering ahead to get to the bike box - there's not much room between the cars and the light is always long enough for me to get through anyways. If I'm first in line and I'm able to occupy the bike box, I'd like to be able to turn right on red - there's usually a gap in traffic to allow this. (I'm usually there before 7am - it might be different later in the morning.)
Something I do appreciate are the no-stopping Xs on the 10St to prevent cars from blocking my left turn on to 4 Ave.
Don
Sidewalk cyclists
Submitted by ryker on
Good comment - I still see a few cyclists riding the sidewalk (both directions). Can't figure out what's going on there.
4.4 The advance green for
Submitted by Richard Z on
4.4 The advance green for bikes and busses sometimes fires just before the regular green, sometimes before the advance turn for traffic NB on 10 St turning W on 16 Ave. The latter is the problem. It's fine for the one bus that can get through the intersection and is clearly visible, but dangerous if you're a cyclist crossing, what, 8 lanes? They should a) eliminate the advance green for bikes if it comes ahead an advance turn signal on the SB side and b) keep the green for bikes on through the entire green phase.
Sidewalk: for a slow or inexperienced rider, the speed differential on the uphil side is very high. I think they should be allowed on the sidewalk (and they are). The W sidewalk is not bylawed for bikes, and I agree, there should be no riding on that sidewalk (and it is illegal now). I wonder if they should bylaw the W sidewalk for uphill riders though. Would make it safe and legal for cyclists to reach ACAD.
Disagree
Submitted by ryker on
Making the argument that cyclists should be allowed on the sidewalk (either direction) when there is a dedicated bicycle lane sounds like a disinclination to compromise with other users, the sort we hear from motorists in newspaper article comments. If, as a pedestrian, I have to navigate around a sidewalk cyclist, should I have the option to walk in the bicycle lane? The point about ACAD/SAIT access is fair but maybe there are other suggestions. I can imagine a Copenhagen left type arrangement at the incut on the NB 10th Street hill although it is a bit of an overshoot from the ACAD turn off. Or maybe a new pathway on the hill between 8th Avenue and the parking lot. Not exactly sure since I don't visit ACAD or SAIT much but I would like to hear suggestions other than cyclists on the sidewalk. I am in favour of eliminating the sidewalk exception on the uphill side.
Don't get me started on
Submitted by RyanC on
Don't get me started on pedestrians in bike lanes (e.g. 9A St NW) ;)
There is a touch-activated signaled crosswalk available at 13th Ave NW. It would require a dismount to walk your bike across, but I think this is the best and most practical solution to the problem of SAIT access from the NB/uphill lane.
Useless for ACAD though.
Submitted by Richard Z on
Useless for ACAD though.
Point taken.
Submitted by Richard Z on
Point taken.
Rosemont CA is holding a
Submitted by Richard Z on
Rosemont CA is holding a community meeting on the 10 St bike lanes:
http://bikecalgary.org/node/3470
If you ride from Rosemont, please attend, esp if you have suggestions for improving traffic flow.