Started riding home after work yesterday and my back wheel felt really weird.. it's been getting progressively worse the last week or so, but admittedly, I haven't had/spent the time to look at it and see what's wrong. Last time I checked, the spokes felt a bit looser than they should, but weren't terrible..
Yesterday it felt REALLY weird.. and I was looking down at it while riding and realized the wheel was really warped in relation to the swingarm.. IE - at times there was almost an inch of space between the wheel and the swingarm on the left.. but only a few mm on the right side. So I stopped and flipped the bike over and had a closer look.. went to squeeze a couple spokes together and there was almost no resistence.. grabbed another pair and realized one was broken off at the hub! Grabbed a few more pairs and found a couple more broken spokes.. all sheared off right where they connect to the hub. So weird! I don't recall hitting any potholes or bumps really hard the last few days.. only thing I can think of is that I recently bought one of those "Adams Trail-a-bike's" for my 4 year old and have pulled him around a couple times. Maybe the added weight in addition to the loose spokes was the undoing? Not 100% sure..
Anyways.. turned around and walked the bike back to work and then borrowed a company van to take it home. Off to one of the bike stores ASAP for new and better quality spokes...
This is my bike: http://www.norco.com/archives/2010/?id=scene
Any suggestions for good quality spokes that are stronger than stock, but won't break the bank?




I should add.. seeing as my
Submitted by birchy on
I should add.. seeing as my other thread right below this one was talking about loose spokes.. that I did take it to a friends that time and we put the wheels on a truing stand and got them properly tensioned and trued. It seems they just loosened up again over the last ~2 months..
Called both the Cyclepath and MEC today.. seems it'll be about $65-80 for having the wheel completely rebuilt, and then ~$100-150 for a completely new wheel. Only problem is the turn around time for having the wheel rebuilt sounds like it'll be 1 week minimum!
Metal fatigue
Submitted by mercator on
Likely not a problem with weight, you were riding on loose spokes for a while which stresses them right at the bend. After a while they break.
When you tensioned and trued them before, did you remember to release them?
I don't even know what
Submitted by birchy on
I don't even know what that means.. so probably not. Does that mean to loosen them before re-tightening?
Relief
Submitted by mercator on
When you tighten a spoke, it tends to twist resulting in stored torsion that will eventually be released resulting in a loose spoke. An experienced wheel builder will release this torsion while trueing the wheel by squeezing parallel pairs of spokes. See here for a complete discussion.
Edit to add: if you rebuild the wheel, be sure to replace all the spokes. The remaining ones are likely to be fatigued as well and will probably break in the not too distant future.
Confusing
Submitted by ryker on
A properly trued and tensioned wheel should not fall apart unless you suffer a gnarly impact. If not the latter, I suspect your wheels were not properly fixed or your parts were already badly worn. Did you use a tension meter to verify that the tension was even around the whole wheel or do it by "feel"? Did you lube the nipple seat to prevent spoke windup and manually relieve any spoke windup that may have been introduced despite best intentions?
@mercator - We did go around
Submitted by birchy on
@mercator - We did go around and squeeze pairs of spokes, but it was more just to feel if they were tight enough. I do plan on replacing all the spokes with new ones for the exact reason you mention. I don't trust that the other ones wouldn't break in the next little while..
@ryker - No, we didn't use a tension meter or lube, we just did it by feel. The last time around the spokes just needed to be tightened, nothing was broken. We didn't even have the tires off the rims. We just put the wheels on my friends truing stand and basically just tightened where needed to get it spinning nice & straight, with no wobble.
I'd prefer to take the wheel into a LBS and have it done by a mechanic this time, but as I mentioned above, after calling around yesterday -I'm looking at a 1-2 week turnaround. I just can't wait that long. Unless I bus it for a few days..
Joe's Garage
Submitted by brodie on
I had a rear wheel (old hub, new rim + spokes) built by Joe's Garage (the mobile guy along the MUP @ 10th) last year - took two days if I remember correctly, and it has been solid. I also pull BOB trailer with that bike, so the rear does have some load on it and it takes a bit of a beating: it is hard to hop the rear of the bike over any obstacles...
My opinion is that feeling
Submitted by ryker on
My opinion is that feeling for tension by hand is not good for anything unless you are a master wheelbuilder with thousands of wheels under your belt. So, from this armchair, I'd say your wheels were not tensioned properly.
Something not discussed yet is that one cause of premature wear leading to spoke breakage is failure to stress relieve a wheel. This may have been the case with your previous/initial wheelbuild leading to worn spokes. When a spoke is tensioned it develops a conflict between its existing material structure and the stress of being held in position, which leads to metal fatigue. Stress relieving takes a spoke past its yield point so that when it "springs" back to its static position, it is no longer under stress. When I build a wheel I do at least three rounds of stress relieving. You do this by squeezing parallel sets of spokes. The squeezing action is quite severe: you won't be able to handle the pain in your hands if you attempt this without wearing gloves.
So my friend had a bunch of
Submitted by birchy on
So my friend had a bunch of extra spokes from a 26" wheel that he never used.. compared them with a few of mine, and they're the right size. Borrowed his truing stand and a few tools, watched a few YouTube videos yesterday afternoon, and then went to work. Took me a few hours, but I got all the spokes replaced completely, and the wheel trued up pretty good. It's not perfect, but not too shabby for my first time I'd say! It's my commuter.. not a racer or anything, so Im' not looking for perfection anyways. This is what I did for stress relieving (the first method): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeyr-brECm4
Thanks everyone for your help and advice!
U are a brave man!
Submitted by gyrospanner on
I woulda' just bought a new wheel!
I guess you can now check the box beside "Built a New Wheel" now. Have a Beer or "insert Favorite Beverage Here" on Me!
Cheers
Gyro